Bro.Wendell Talibong (CFD) VS Ramil Parba (INC.M)

Bro.Wendell Talibong (CFD) VS Ramil Parba (INC.M)

 

DEBATE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (Bro.Wendell Talibong) VS INC(MANALO) (Ramil Parba) ON AUGUST 5 2006 IN BOHOL.(Malaman ang Katotohanan na ang SANTA IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA ang Tunay na Iglesia ni Kristo)

 

 

Catholic Faith Defenders_Vs_Church of Christ(USA)

Catholic Faith Defenders_Vs_Church of Christ(USA)

 

Brother Socrates C. Fernandez powerfully provides the whole evidence regarding the Biblical and Apostolic Church — the Roman Catholic Church, in his dynamic and Biblical arguments against the head pastor of Church of Christ (founded by Alexander Campbell in USA) Reuben Emperado.

Watch this video so that you can have the knowledge in depending the truth and the Church of our Lord – the Catholic Church.

 

Existence of God

Existence of God

By Bro. Cleb Calimutan

 

 

Definition of the term, God is called el or elohim in Hebrew. El is originally a specific name; and el is a member of a divine species as a man is member of the human species. . The name reflects an original conception in which El was the truly supreme God. The noun is plural in form and plural in sense; but is also used of a single divine being1.

 

Dogmatic Declaration: God, our Creator and Lord, can be know with certainty, by the light of reason from created things2.

 

 

Scriptural Support of the Dogma

 

Wis.13:1-9 “For the greatness of the beauty, and of the creature, the creator of them may be

seen”

Rom.1:20 “For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,being

understood by the things that are made. His eternal power and His divinity also: so                      that they are inexcusable.”

 

Argument from the Principle of Existence: To deny existence is absurd, for how can one deny existence if he does not exist. Now among those things that exist, at least some of them are contingent which means they exist now but they do not exist for some time before. In the principle of Non-contradiction, if one exists it can not be that one does not exist at the same time. Hence if a thing exists contingently it can no be it is not contingent at the same respect. Further, to argue that all things exist in contingency is erroneous, for before anything else there is state of nothingness, a state of void from any for of existence. Following the principle of non-contradiction, nothingness can not be not nothingness at the same time; therefore nothingness is not existence at the same time. Wherefore if there was a state of void then nothing would exist which is contradictory to fact. Hence to argue that all things exist in contingency is erroneous for it will deny the fact of existence. The only valid argument is to say that at one should exist not in contingent, for one is only necessary to cause the existence of other beings. Therefore there must be one being whose existence is necessary, and we call Him God. Moreover, that one whose existence is necessary must be an intelligent being, for it can not be that the cause is inferior than the effect, and in fact there are intelligent beings therefore the Necessary Being is at an intelligent one superior than anyone else and we vow for He is our God.

 

The five ways of St. Thomas Aquinas

I answer that, The existence of God can be proved in five ways.

The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. Motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion by itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

The second way is from the nature of the efficient cause. In the world of sense we find there is an order of efficient causes. There is no case known (neither is it, indeed, possible) in which a thing is found to be the efficient cause of itself; for so it would be prior to itself, which is impossible. Now in efficient causes it is not possible to go on to infinity, because in all efficient causes following in order, the first is the cause of the intermediate cause, and the intermediate is the cause of the ultimate cause, whether the intermediate cause be several, or only one. Now to take away the cause is to take away the effect. Therefore, if there be no first cause among efficient causes, there will be no ultimate, nor any intermediate cause. But if in efficient causes it is possible to go on to infinity, there will be no first efficient cause, neither will there be an ultimate effect, nor any intermediate efficient causes; all of which is plainly false. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.

The third way is taken from possibility and necessity, and runs thus. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence — which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not. Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.

The fourth way is taken from the gradation to be found in things. Among beings there are some more and some less good, true, noble and the like. But “more” and “less” are predicated of different things, according as they resemble in their different ways something which is the maximum, as a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest; so that there is something which is truest, something best, something noblest and, consequently, something which is uttermost being; for those things that are greatest in truth are greatest in being, as it is written in Metaph. ii. Now the maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus; as fire, which is the maximum heat, is the cause of all hot things. Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.

The fifth way is taken from the governance of the world. We see that things which lack intelligence, such as natural bodies, act for an end, and this is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way, so as to obtain the best result. Hence it is plain that not fortuitously, but designedly, do they achieve their end. Now whatever lacks intelligence cannot move towards an end, unless it is directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence; as the arrow is shot to its mark by the archer. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.3

 

 

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1.Dictionary of the Bible by John L. Mckenzie. S.J

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2. Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott 4th Ed. P24

3. Summa Theologica > First Part > Question 2

OBJECTION & ANSWER on RH bill

By: Bro: Fernando Presillas

 

 

OBJECTION #I:
The bible was not written by God according Sen. Miriam Santiago?
ANSWER:
Technically and scientifically she was right. As Filipinos, we all believe and agree that the constitution of the Philippines is the fundamental law of the land though it was only a product of human legislators in congress and senate or whatsoever. And pretty-well, as doctor of Divinity, she knows also that the bible is the Word of God written in the languages of men as what she learned from Catholic school and of the fundamental teachings of the Church.

 

CHURCH DECLARATION THAT THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD:
The Bible, as the inspired recorded of revelation, contains the word of God; that is, it contains those revealed truths which the Holy Ghost wishes to be transmitted in writing. However, all revealed truths are not contained in the Bible (see TRADITION); neither is every truth in the Bible revealed, if by revelation is meant the manifestation of hidden truths which could not other be known. Much of the Scripture came to its writers through the channels of ordinary knowledge, but its sacred character and Divine authority are not limited to those parts which contain revelation strictly so termed. The Bible not only contains the word of God; it is the word of God. The primary author is the Holy Ghost, or, as it is commonly expressed, the human authors wrote under the influence of Divine inspiration. It was declared by the Vatican Council (Sess. III, c. ii) that the sacred and canonical character of Scripture would not be sufficiently explained by saying
that the books were composed by human diligence and then approved by the Church, or that they contained revelation without error. They are sacred and canonical “because, having been written by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, that have God for their author, and as such have been handed down to the Church”. The inerrancy of the Bible follows as a consequence of this Divine authorship. Wherever the sacred writer makes a statement as his own, that statement is the word of God and infallibly true, whatever be the subject-matter of the statement.
BIBLE REFERRENCE:
Though the Bible was written in the languages of men, but it is the will of God that His words be heard through the mouth of His chosen people called Hagiographers.
a)Heb.4:12”For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword..”
b)2 Pet. 1:20-21”Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.”
c)Heb.1:1-2 “In the past God spoke to our ancestors many times and in many ways through the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son..”(GNB)
d)Mal 2:7 “For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.”(KJV)
e) Rom 15:16 “of being a servant of Christ Jesus to work for the Gentiles. I serve like a priest in preaching the Good News from God, in order that the Gentiles may be an offering acceptable to God, dedicated to him by the Holy Spirit.”(GNB)
f) Gal 4:14”You despised not, nor rejected: but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.”(DRB)
g) 2 Co 13:3 “You will have all the proof you want that Christ speaks through me. When he deals with you, he is not weak; instead, he shows his power among you.”(GNB)

 

 

OBJECTION #II:
The Catholic Church violated the fundamental laws of the land regarding Declaration of Principles and State Policies Article II, Section 6 that says:”The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. The separation of Church and state.”
ANSWER:
• The principle of separation of church and state is often cited by many persons in all sorts of situations. From traditional politicians trying to surreptitiously push a morally questionable population control program, to anti-clerics who want to monopolize debate in important issues, the principle of separation is employed whenever the Catholic Church, or any other religion, speaks out and steps on a few toes.
• The separation of church and state is sometimes thought of as a “wall” separating the affairs of the two. Those who follow this thinking usually claim that religion should have nothing to do with the affairs of men. They would probably also say that religious belief should not influence the crafting of laws, affect the actions of public officials, or even be part of public debate. Instead, government should be neutral towards all religions and be totally secular in nature.

The Philippines is currently governed by the 1987 Constitution, which states in Article II, Section 6:
”The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable.”
In Article III, Section 5, the Constitution also states:
“No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed. No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.”
The Philippine Constitution therefore in that it specifies two points governing the relationship between the state and religion. First there is an “establishment” provision which prohibits the establishment of an official state religion or a state-favored religion. 2nd there is the guarantee of protection of the free exercise of religion.There is no mention, however, of a “wall” separating religion and government. More importantly, there is nothing that mandates that religious belief cannot be a consideration in the crafting of laws and public policy, or that it be kept out of public debate, or that public officials must abandon religious beliefs in the performance of their duties. It can be argued then that the idea of a “wall” separating church and state really has no constitutional basis.The document itself speaks of keeping the state from adopting any religion or imposing the same through any coercive means. It does not, however, state
that religion can have no role in public life.The purpose of separation of church and state is to defend religion from federal interference, not the other way around.
Some have even gone so far as to claim that separation of church and state means that religious leaders including priests and ministers cannot run for public office. This is plain religious discrimination and has no legal basis in the Philippines.
The Catholic Church itself discourages priests from participating in partisan politics since such participation may divide the flock; but this is not a constitutional or legal prohibition, and the Church can also allow it in some cases. As far as the law goes, there is simply no provision whatsoever in the Philippine Constitutions that prohibits priests and ministers from holding public office. The bottom line is that the principle of separation of church and state is to guarantee religious freedom by preventing oppression by the government but not to silence the church. Yet it seems that there are those who would rather use it as a means to keep the Church from pointing out errors and exposing wrongdoing.
This is the reason why Pope Benedict XVI has spoken of an “intolerant” secularism that begins by excluding religion from the public sphere and ends up so extending that public sphere that the individual conscience is left with no room for religious belief.
Total separation of Church and State means total separation from God because Christ is the head the Church is His body. A government without a Good is helpless and will not prosper in all his plans.
a)Eph.5:23 For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
b)Sirac 10:4-5”The Lord sees to the government of the world and brings person to power at the right time. The success of that person is in the Lord’s hands. The Lord is the source of the honor given to any official.
A true Christian leader will not separate God from civil obligation. To separate God and the Religion He founded, the civil government become a Godless human institution and it is unconstitutional because we implore the aid of God in our PREAMBLE of the 1987 Constitution of the Philippines to wit:”We, the sovereign Filipino people, imploring the aid of Almighty God, in order to build a just and humane society and establish a Government that shall embody our ideals and aspirations, promote the common good, conserve and develop our patrimony, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of independence and democracy under the rule of law and a regime of truth, justice, freedom, love, equality, and peace, do ordain and promulgate this Constitution.
Rom 13:1 “Everyone must obey state authorities, because no authority exists without God’s permission, and the existing authorities have been put there by God.”(GNB)
Joh 19:10-11 “Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Remember, I have the authority to set you free and also to have you crucified.” Jesus answered, “You have authority over me only because it was given to you by God
1Ti 3:15-16 “But if I delay, this letter will let you know how we should conduct ourselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. No one can deny how great is the secret of our religion: He appeared in human form, was shown to be right by the Spirit, and was seen by angels. He was preached among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, and was taken up to heaven.”(GNB)
Act 4:19-29”But Peter and John answered them, “You yourselves judge which is right in God’s sight—to obey you or to obey God. For we cannot stop speaking of what we ourselves have seen and heard.”(GNB)
Christ Himself expressed His faith at all times. He didn’t hide behind any sentimental notions of “keeping one’s faith a private matter” or political correctness.

 

OBJECTION #III:
Sabi nang mga Iglesia ni Cristo,” mali ang interpretation ng mga Catolico sa Gen.1:28 na magparami ng anak. Ibig sabihin niyan controlin ang panganganak. Ito po ang sabi ng biblia:
(TAB) “At sila’y binasbasan ng Dios, at sa kanila’y sinabi ng Dios, Kayo’y magpalaanakin, at magpakarami, at kalatan ninyo ang lupa, at inyong supilin…”(ang salitang”at inyong supilin” ,ibig sabihin pigilan ang panganganak at gagamit ng contraceptibo.”
ANSWER:
• Anong klasing “Iglesia ni Cristo?”Seguro “Iglesia ni Cristo MCMXIV?” Dahil ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo ay ang Iglesia Catolica ayon sa turo mismo ng kanilang Pasugo Magazine:”True Church of Christ is the Catholic Church. “Even secular History shows a direct time link between the Catholic Church and the Apostles leading to the conclusion that the True Church of Christ is the Catholic Church” Pasugo Magazine July-August 1988, page 6”
• Iyon ba talaga ang turo nila?Hindi ko narinig eh? Pero kong totoong turo nila yan, maling-mali ang kanilang interpretation at salungat sa katotohanang inihayag sa biblia. Balikan po natin ang sinipi nilang sitas ng Bibliang Tagalog translation. Ito po ang full text ng Gen.1:28
(TAB) “At sila’y binasbasan ng Dios, at sa kanila’y (sinabi ng Dios, Kayo’y magpalaanakin, at magpakarami, at kalatan ninyo ang lupa, at inyong supilin; )at magkaroon kayo ng kapangyarihan sa mga isda sa dagat, at sa mga ibon sa himpapawid, at sa bawa’t hayop na gumagalaw sa ibabaw ng lupa.”
• Klarong-klaro po dito na hindi ang pagdadalang tao o pagbubuntis ang dapat supilin kundi ang lupa.Sa English translation po ay mas lalong malinaw.
(CEV) “God gave them his blessing and said: Have a lot of children! Fill the earth with people and bring it under your control. Rule over the fish in the ocean, the birds in the sky, and every animal on the earth.”
• Dito po ating napatunayan na tao ang controlin at hindi ang pagdadalang tao.(”Have a lot of Children! Fill the earth with people”)
• (GW) God blessed them and said, “Be fertile, increase in number, fill the earth, and be its master. Rule the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that crawl on the earth.”
To you Sr. Joanne and to those who are seekers of truth, I think I have done my part to answer and clarify the stand of Cong. Manny Pacquiao and all oppositions concerning the interpretation of Genesis 1:28. So let us be one in defending life and truth who is Christ himself (Jn.14:6). St. Paul says,”
2 Co 13:8 “Non enim possumus aliquid adversus veritatem sed pro veritate- For we can do nothing against the truth: but for the truth.”

SEN.MIRIAM DEFENSOR AGAINST CONG.MANNY PACQUIAO:

By: Bro: Fernando Presillas

 

I welcome the truth that Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago is one of the brightest Senators in our times when it comes to legislation and legislative scrutiny. Yes, Pacquiao is far behind compared to her academic expertise. But sometimes God uses simple person for the truth to prevail so that the wisdom of God will be revealed. You have observed that Manny Pacquiao, indulging in a legislative debate, has no capability like other congressmen as what many of us have in mind because he was not a lawyer. But look what happened? It uncovers some hidden truth as what you have observed intellectually regarding the hidden agenda behind the RH BILL 4244.

 

Through his interpellation the Filipino people were able to know that it was not true that the provisions regarding two child policy and sex education for grade five to fourth year high school were amended as claimed by Edcel Lagman. RH Bill author’s misleading claims of amended provisions was uncovered by Pacquiao on that very occasion.
The Lord never leaves anyone who promotes life and the truth of the gospel as long as he is honest and sincere. The bible says:
Luk.12:11-12 “When they bring you to be tried in the synagogues or before governors or rulers, do not be worried about how you will defend yourself or what you will say. For the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
1 Co 1:19-21” The scripture says, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and set aside the understanding of the scholars.” So then, where does that leave the wise? or the scholars? or the skillful debaters of this world? God has shown that this world’s wisdom is foolishness! For God in his wisdom made it impossible for people to know him by means of their own wisdom. Instead, by means of the so-called “foolish” message we preach, God decided to save those who believe.”
1 Co 1:25-29 “For what seems to be God’s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and what seems to be God’s weakness is stronger than human strength. Now remember what you were, my friends, when God called you. From the human point of view few of you were wise or powerful or of high social standing. God purposely chose what the world considers nonsense in order to shame the wise, and he chose what the world considers weak in order to shame the powerful. He chose what the world looks down on and despises and thinks is nothing, in order to destroy what the world thinks is important. This means that no one can boast in God’s presence.”
I was also informed that Sen. Miriam Santiago receives a doctorate of Divinity in the Catholic Church. But this does not mean she has the authority over the Catholic Church as teacher and official interpreter of the bible. In fact the bible says that the role of women in the Church is not to rule over men in matters of teaching authority. Their role is to assist and not to lead. And if they are not needed they must keep quiet.
Phil. 4:2-3”Euodia and Syntyche, please, I beg you, try to agree as sisters in the Lord. And you too, my faithful partner, I want you to help these women; for they have worked hard with me to spread the gospel, together with Clement and all my other fellow workers, whose names are in God’s book of the living.
1 Tim. 2:10-14 “But with good deeds, as is proper for women who claim to be religious. Women should learn in silence and all humility. I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; they must keep quiet. For Adam was created first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and broke God’s law.”
Regarding Sen. Miriam Santiago’s commentary on Gen.1:28, Pacquiao was right in his own senses because his interpretation is the interpretation of the Church founded by Christ. I think it was only Pacquiao’s deliberation that the good Senator commented. But as to the text being quoted (Gen.1:28), I beg to disagree with her and sided with Pacquiao who was just telling the truth not only what the bible says but what the bible means if just to prove that this text is against the promotion of depopulation as embodied in the RH BILL 4244.

 

The following 61 translations and versions of the bible translated by both Catholics and Protestants testify that Gen.1:28 literally refer to the propagation of mankind.

1.(AOV) En God het hulle geseën, en God het vir hulle gesê: Wees vrugbaar en vermeerder en vul die aarde, onderwerp dit en heers oor die visse van die see en die voëls van die hemel en oor al die diere wat op die aarde kruip.

2.(ASV) And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 3.(BBE) And God gave them his blessing and said to them, Be fertile and have increase, and make the earth full and be masters of it; be rulers over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing moving on the earth.

4.(BCN) Bendithiodd Duw hwy a dweud, “Byddwch ffrwythlon ac amlhewch, llanwch y ddaear a darostyngwch hi; llywodraethwch ar bysgod y môr, ar adar yr awyr, ac ar bopeth byw sy’n ymlusgo ar y ddaear.”

5.(Bibeln) Och Gud välsignade dem; Gud sade till dem: “Varen fruktsamma och föröken eder, och uppfyllen jorden och läggen den under eder; och råden över fiskarna i havet och över fåglarna under himmelen och över alla djur som röra sig på jorden.”

6.(Bishops) And God blessed them, and God sayde vnto them: be fruitefull, & multiplie, and replenishe the earth, & subdue it, and haue dominion of the fisshe of the sea, and foule of the ayre, & of euery lyuing thing that moueth vpon the earth.

7.(BUL) И Бог ги благослови. И рече им Бог: Плодете се и размножавайте, напълнете земята и обладайте я, и владейте над морските риби, над въздушните птици и над всяко живо същество, което се движи по земята.

8.(CBK) A požehnal jim Bůh, a řekl jim Bůh: Ploďtež se a rozmnožujte se, a naplňte zemi, a podmaňte ji, a panujte nad rybami mořskými, a nad ptactvem nebeským, i nad všelikým živočichem hýbajícím se na zemi.

9.(CEV) God gave them his blessing and said: Have a lot of children! Fill the earth with people and bring it under your control. Rule over the fish in the ocean, the birds in the sky, and every animal on the earth.

10.(CUV-S) 神就赐福给他们,又对他们说:「要生养众多,遍满地面,治理这地,也要管理海里的鱼、空中的鸟,和地上各样行动的活物。」

11.(CUV-T) 神就賜福給他們,又對他們說:「要生養眾多,遍滿地面,治理這地,也要管理海裡的魚、空中的鳥,和地上各樣行動的活物。」

12.(Dansk) og Gud velsignede dem, og Gud sagde til dem: “Bliv frugtbare og mangfoldige og opfyld Jorden, gør eder til Herre over den og hersk over Havets Fisk og Himmelens Fugle, Kvæget og alle vildtlevende Dyr, der rører sig på Jorden!”

13.(Darby) And God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over every animal that moveth on the earth.

14.(DRB) And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth.

15.(DSV) En God zegende hen, en God zeide tot hen: Weest vruchtbaar, en vermenigvuldigt, en vervult de aarde, en onderwerpt haar, en hebt heerschappij over de vissen der zee, en over het gevogelte des hemels, en over al het gedierte, dat op de aarde kruipt!

16.(ESV) And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

17.(FDB) Et Dieu les bénit; et Dieu leur dit: Fructifiez, et multipliez, et remplissez la terre et l’assujettissez, et dominez sur les poissons de la mer et sur les oiseaux des cieux, et sur tout être vivant qui se meut sur la terre.
18.(FLS) Dieu les bénit, et Dieu leur dit: Soyez féconds, multipliez, remplissez la terre, et l’assujettissez; et dominez sur les poissons de la mer, sur les oiseaux du ciel, et sur tout animal qui se meut sur la terre.
19.(FPR) Ja Jumala siunasi heidät, ja Jumala sanoi heille: “Olkaa hedelmälliset ja lisääntykää ja täyttäkää maa ja tehkää se itsellenne alamaiseksi; ja vallitkaa meren kalat ja taivaan linnut ja kaikki maan päällä liikkuvat eläimet”.

20.(GEB) Und Gott segnete sie, und Gott sprach zu ihnen: Seid fruchtbar und mehret euch und füllet die Erde und machet sie euch untertan; und herrschet über die Fische des Meeres und über das Gevögel des Himmels und über alles Getier, das sich auf der Erde regt!
21.(Geneva) And God blessed them, and God said to them, Bring forth fruite and multiplie, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the heauen, & ouer euery beast that moueth vpon the earth.
22.(GLB) Und Gott segnete sie und sprach zu ihnen: Seid fruchtbar und mehrt euch und füllt die Erde und macht sie euch untertan und herrscht über die Fische im Meer und über die Vögel unter dem Himmel und über alles Getier, das auf Erden kriecht.
23.(GNB) blessed them, and said, “Have many children, so that your descendants will live all over the earth and bring it under their control. I am putting you in charge of the fish, the birds, and all the wild animals.
24.(GSB) Und Gott segnete sie und sprach zu ihnen: Seid fruchtbar und mehret euch und füllet die Erde und machet sie euch untertan und herrschet über die Fische im Meer und über die Vögel des Himmels und über alles Lebendige, was auf Erden kriecht!
25.(GW) God blessed them and said, “Be fertile, increase in number, fill the earth, and be its master. Rule the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that crawl on the earth.”
26.(HKB) És megáldá Isten õket, és monda nékik Isten: Szaporodjatok és sokasodjatok, és töltsétek be a földet és hajtsátok birodalmatok alá; és uralkodjatok a tenger halain, az ég madarain, és a földön csúszó-mászó mindenféle állatokon.

27.(HOT) ויברך אתם אלהים ויאמר להם אלהים פרו ורבו ומלאו את־הארץ וכבשׁה ורדו בדגת הים ובעוף השׁמים ובכל־חיה הרמשׂת על־הארץ׃
28.(IBIS) Kemudian diberkati-Nya mereka dengan ucapan “Beranakcuculah yang banyak, supaya keturunanmu mendiami seluruh muka bumi serta menguasainya. Kamu Kutugaskan mengurus ikan-ikan, burung-burung, dan semua binatang lain yang liar.
29.(ICE) Og Guð blessaði þau, og Guð sagði við þau: “Verið frjósöm, margfaldist og uppfyllið jörðina og gjörið ykkur hana undirgefna og drottnið yfir fiskum sjávarins og yfir fuglum loftsins og yfir öllum dýrum, sem hrærast á jörðinni.”
30.(INR) Dio li benedisse; e Dio disse loro: “Siate fecondi e moltiplicatevi; riempite la terra, rendetevela soggetta, dominate sui pesci del mare e sugli uccelli del cielo e sopra ogni animale che si muove sulla terra”.
31.(IRL) E Dio li benedisse; e Dio disse loro: ‘Crescete e moltiplicate e riempite la terra, e rendetevela soggetta, e dominate sui pesci del mare e sugli uccelli del cielo e sopra ogni animale che si muove sulla terra’.
32.(ITB) Allah memberkati mereka, lalu Allah berfirman kepada mereka: “Beranakcuculah dan bertambah banyak; penuhilah bumi dan taklukkanlah itu, berkuasalah atas ikan-ikan di laut dan burung-burung di udara dan atas segala binatang yang merayap di bumi.”
32.(JPS) And God blessed them; and God said unto them: ‘Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.’
33.(KJV) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
34. (KJV-1611) And God blessed them, and God said vnto them, Be fruitfull, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and haue dominion ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the aire, and ouer euery liuing thing that mooueth vpon the earth.

35.(KJVA) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
36.(KJVR) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
37.(LBLA) Y los bendijo Dios y les dijo: Sed fecundos y multiplicaos, y llenad la tierra y sojuzgadla; ejerced dominio sobre los peces del mar, sobre las aves del cielo y sobre todo ser viviente que se mueve sobre la tierra.
38.(LITV) And God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the seas, and over birds of the heavens, and over all beasts creeping on the earth.
39.(LXX) καὶ ηὐλόγησεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς λέγων Αὐξάνεσθε καὶ πληθύνεσθε καὶ πληρώσατε τὴν γῆν καὶ κατακυριεύσατε αὐτῆς καὶ ἄρχετε τῶν ἰχθύων τῆς θαλάσσης καὶ τῶν πετεινῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καὶ πάντων τῶν κτηνῶν καὶ πάσης τῆς γῆς καὶ πάντων τῶν ἑρπετῶν τῶν ἑρπόντων ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς.
40.(MKJV) And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. And have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heavens, and all animals that move upon the earth.
41.(NBLH) Dios los bendijo y les dijo: “Sean fecundos y multiplíquense. Llenen la tierra y sométanla. Ejerzan dominio sobre los peces del mar, sobre las aves del cielo y sobre todo ser viviente que se mueve sobre la tierra.”
42.(Norsk) Og Gud velsignet dem og sa til dem: Vær fruktbare og bli mange og opfyll jorden og legg den under eder, og råd over fiskene i havet og over fuglene under himmelen og over hvert dyr som rører sig på jorden!
43.(PBG) I błogosławił im Bóg, i rzekł do nich Bóg: Rozradzajcie się, i rozmnażajcie się, i napełniajcie ziemię; i czyńcie ją sobie poddaną; i panujcie nad rybami morskimi, i nad ptactwem niebieskim, i nad wszelkim zwierzem, który się rusza na ziemi.
44.(PJFA) Então Deus os abençoou e lhes disse: Frutificai e multiplicai-vos; enchei a terra e sujeitai-a; dominai sobre os peixes do mar, sobre as aves do céu e sobre todos os animais que se arrastam sobre a terra.
45.(RDCT) Dumnezeu i-a binecuvîntat, şi Dumnezeu le-a zis: „Creşteţi, înmulţiţi-vă, umpleţi pămîntul, şi supuneţi-l; şi stăpîniţi peste peştii mării, peste păsările cerului, şi peste orice vieţuitoare care se mişcă pe pămînt.”
46.(ROB) Şi Dumnezeu i-a binecuvântat, zicând: “Creşteţi şi vă înmulţiţi şi umpleţi pământul şi-l supuneţi; şi stăpâniri peste peştii mării, peste păsările cerului, peste toate animalele, peste toate vietăţile ce se mişcă pe pământ şi peste tot pământul!”
47.(RST) И благословил их Бог, и сказал им Бог: плодитесь и размножайтесь, и наполняйте землю, и обладайте ею, и владычествуйте над рыбами морскими и над птицами небесными, и над всяким животным, пресмыкающимся по земле.
48.(RV) And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
49.(SDK-L) I blagoslovi ih Bog, i reče im Bog: rađajte se i množite se, i napunite zemlju, i vladajte njom, i budite gospodari od riba morskih i od ptica nebeskih i od svega zvjerinja što se miče po zemlji.
50.(So) Oo Ilaah waa barakadeeyey iyaga; oo Ilaah wuxuu iyaga ku yidhi, Wax badan dhala oo tarma, oo dhulka ka buuxsama, oo ka sara mara dhulka, oo xukuma kalluunka badda, iyo haadda hawada iyo wax kasta oo nool oo dhulka kor dhaqdhaqaaqa.
51.(SRV) Y los bendijo Dios; y díjoles Dios: Fructificad y multiplicad, y henchid la tierra, y sojuzgadla, y señoread en los peces de la mar, y en las aves de los cielos, y en todas las bestias que se mueven sobre la tierra.
52.(SSE) Y los bendijo Dios; y les dijo Dios: Fructificad y multiplicaos, y llenad la tierra, y sojuzgadla, y señoread en los peces del mar, y en las aves de los cielos, y en todas las bestias que se mueven sobre la tierra.
52.(SVD) وَبَارَكَهُمُ اللهُ وَقَالَ لَهُمْ: «اثْمِرُوا وَاكْثُرُوا وَامْلاوا الارْضَ وَاخْضِعُوهَا وَتَسَلَّطُوا عَلَى سَمَكِ الْبَحْرِ وَعَلَى طَيْرِ السَّمَاءِ وَعَلَى كُلِّ حَيَوَانٍ يَدِبُّ عَلَى الارْضِ».
53.(TAB) At sila’y binasbasan ng Dios, at sa kanila’y sinabi ng Dios, Kayo’y magpalaanakin, at magpakarami, at kalatan ninyo ang lupa, at inyong supilin; at magkaroon kayo ng kapangyarihan sa mga isda sa dagat, at sa mga ibon sa himpapawid, at sa bawa’t hayop na gumagalaw sa ibabaw ng lupa.
54.(TKJV) พระเจ้าได้ทรงอวยพรพวกเขา และพระเจ้าตรัสแก่พวกเขาว่า “จงมีลูกดกและทวีมากขึ้น จนเต็มแผ่นดิน จงมีอำนาจเหนือแผ่นดินนั้น และครอบครองฝูงปลาในทะเล ฝูงนกในอากาศ และบรรดาสัตว์ที่มีชีวิตที่เคลื่อนไหวบนแผ่นดินโลก”
55.(TKK) Onları kutsayarak, “Verimli olun, çoğalın” dedi, “Yeryüzünü doldurun ve denetiminize alın; denizdeki balıklara, gökteki kuşlara, yeryüzünde yaşayan bütün canlılara egemen olun.
56.(UBIO) І поблагословив їх Бог, і сказав Бог до них: Плодіться й розмножуйтеся, і наповнюйте землю, оволодійте нею, і пануйте над морськими рибами, і над птаством небесним, і над кожним плазуючим живим на землі!
57.(Vamvas) και ευλόγησεν αυτούς ο Θεός• και είπε προς αυτούς ο Θεός, Αυξάνεσθε και πληθύνεσθε και γεμίσατε την γην και κυριεύσατε αυτήν, και εξουσιάζετε επί των ιχθύων της θαλάσσης και επί των πετεινών του ουρανού και επί παντός ζώου κινουμένου επί της γης.
58.(Viet) Đức Chúa Trời ban phước cho loài người và phán rằng: Hăy sanh sản, thêm nhiều, làm cho đầy dẫy đất; hăy làm cho đất phục tùng, hăy quản trị loài cá dưới biển, loài chim trên trời cùng các vật sống hành động trên mặt đất.
59.(Vulgate) benedixitque illis Deus et ait crescite et multiplicamini et replete terram et subicite eam et dominamini piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et universis animantibus quae moventur super terram
60.(Webster) And God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living animal that moveth upon the earth.
61.(YLT) And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.’

 

The above quoted 61 Catholic and Protestant translations and versions of the bible prove that Pacquiao is biblically correct because his stand is the interpretation of the Church founded by Christ (New Book of Knowledge Vol.16 P.287).

Regarding interpretation of Gen.1:28, it does not favor RH BILL to depopulate people. Let us allow the bible to explain God’s message:

1.(ASV) And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth..
2. (BBE)God gave them his blessing and said to them, Be fertile and have increase, and make the earth full..
3.(CEV) “God gave them his blessing and said: Have a lot of children! Fill the earth with people…”
4.(DRB) “And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth..”
5. (Geneva) “And God blessed them, and God said to them, Bring forth fruite and multiplie, and fill the earth..”
6. (ESV) “And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth..”
Take note of the following translations with the meaning:
• Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth..
• Be fertile and have increase, and make the earth full..
• Increase and multiply, and fill the earth..
• Increase and multiply, and fill the earth..”
• Bring forth fruite and multiplie, and fill the earth..”
• “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth..

 

What is the real and literal meaning of the text translated in different versions of the bible? The answer is not Pro- RH BILL because it is a command from God. The bible has the answer:


1. (GW) “God blessed them and said, “Be fertile, increase in number, fill the earth..”(increase in number? God is against depopulation promoted by RH BILL 4244)
2. (GNB) blessed them, and said, “Have many children, so that your descendants will live all over the earth..”(have many children? God is against 2 child policy of the bill)
3. (TAB) At sila’y binasbasan ng Dios, at sa kanila’y sinabi ng Dios, Kayo’y magpalaanakin, at magpakarami, at kalatan ninyo ang lupa..”(think of it, magpalaanakan kayo).
Address to all Catholic women and to those who care for them: Do you want to be saved on judgment day? Then follow God’s instruction. Anyway, we are only passengers in this world (Col.3:1-3), all of us will die (Sirac 7:36). Are you really a true follower of Jesus? Then you must be ready sacrifice if you wanted to(M.16:24). Are you ready to face and avoid the wrath of God on judgment day? You are reminded by God if you are a pro-lifer or against life.
Deu 32:6 “Is this the way you should treat the LORD, you foolish, senseless people? He is your father, your Creator, he made you into a nation.”
Mat 16:26 “For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?”
Motherhood is a gift from God especially given only to women. Those who are not afraid of responsibilities of motherhood will inherit blessings and salvation from God not from the RH BILL 4244.
1Tim. 2:13-15 “For Adam was created first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and broke God’s law. But a woman will be saved through having children, if she perseveres in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.”
The Church stand is of God:
a)Eph.3:10-12”That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church, according to the eternal purpose which he made in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.”
b) 1Tim. 3:15“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”
c) Mat 18:17-18” And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
d) Luk.10:16 “ He that heareth you heareth me: and he that despiseth you despiseth me: and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.”
e) Jn. 10:12-16 “But the hireling and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming and leaveth the sheep and flieth: and the wolf casteth and scattereth the sheep, and the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep. I am the good shepherd: and I know mine, and mine know me. As the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep. And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd.”

 

 

Reproductive Health And Population and Development Act

Reproductive Health And Population and Development Act

Fr. Nerl Salugsugan

 

Ilang araw na lang at gugunitain na ng sambayanang Pilipino ang pagdiriwang ng ika -113 taon ng araw ng kalayaan ng Pilipinas. Sa araw na ito inililipad tayo sa nakaraan upang magbalik tanaw sa napakahalagang pangyayari sa kasaysayan na naganap sa ating bansa,ang pagwawagayway ng bandila ng Pilipinas at kasabay nang pagtugtog ng pambansang awit sa Kawit, Cavite bilang simbolo ng pagsilang ng kasarinlan ng bansang Pilipinas. Sa pagbabalik sa mga pahina ng nakalipas, ipinamalas ng mga magigiting na pilipino ang kanilang katapangan upang sumilay ang liwanag buhat sa madilim na kinasadlakan ng kalunos-lunos na bayan ni Juan dela Cruz. Ang pagsasariwa sa kagitingan ng mga pilipinong nakipaglaban ay nagbibigay sa atin ng lakas at determinasyon upang magkaisa at manguna sa anumang hamon na hinaharap natin sa kasalukuyan at maging sa mga darating pang panahon.Maging inspirasyon ang pagsasakripisyo ng ating mga ninuno upang palakasin ang Republika ng Pilipinas na pangunahing sandigan na kumikilala at nagbibigay ng pagpapahalaga sa dignidad ng bawat pilipino, lalong-lalo na sa usaping pampamilya, na siyang pundasyon at pinakamahalagang salik ng ating lipunan.

Ngayon ang bansa ay humaharap sa sa isang malaking hamon na kung hindi magkakaisa ay maaring pagmulan ng pagkakawatak-watak ng sambayang pilipino. Pinag-uusapan ang pagsasabatas sa isang panukala, ang Reproductive Health And Population and Development Act o mas kilala bilang RH Bill. Layunin ng panukalang ito na palawigin ang pangkalahatang paggamit ng iba’t ibang uri ng reproductive health care services kasama na ang artificial use of contraceptives. May apat na kadahilanan kung bakit itinutulak ang pagpapasabatas nito, una sagot sa lumulobong populasyon na dahilan ng kahirapan, pangalawa, upang maging ligtas ang bilang ng mga namamatay sa pagbubuntis, ikatlo, limitahan ang mga kabataang maagang nabubuntis, at panghuli para makaiwas sa pagkalat ng HIV at STD sa pamamagitan ng pagbibigay ng mga condoms at uri ng contraceptives.

Bilang isa sa mga pro-life advocates, mariin kong tinututulan ang panukalang ito at ibahagi ang mga dahilan kung bakit ako ay nakikiisa sa panig ng simbahan at ibat ibang religious sectors na kontra rito. Una, hindi ang populasyon ang dahilan kung bakit patuloy tayong nakararanas ng kahirapan, kundi ang malawakang kurakutan at paglustay ng pondo ang siyang dahilan upang patuloy tayong mabaon sa hirap.Maglalaan ang gobyerno ng 3 bilyong piso upang ipambili ng ibat ibang contraceptives tulad ng condoms at mga kagamitan upang mapigilan ang pabubuntis ng isang ina. Saan manggaling yang pondong iyan? sa pera ng taong bayan. Lulustayin ng pamahalaan ang pera ng taong bayan sa pamamagitan lamang ng pagbibili ng mga contraceptives. Kung yang 3 bilyon na yan ay ilalaan na lamang ng pamahalaan sa ibang proyekto na lubhang mahalaga tulad ng pagbibigay trabaho, pagpapagawa ng mga paaralan at libreng edukasyon, o pagpapatayo ng mga tirahan para sa mga nasa squatters area ay tunay na mapapakinabangan pa ng sambayanang pilipino. Malaking bentahe ang paglaki ng populasyon sa pag-unlad ng ekonomiya ng Pilipinas, kaya ang dapat pigilin ay ang korupsyon hindi ang populasyon. Pangalawa, mas delikado ang paggamit ng mga contraceptives measures dahil may abortifacient effect ito na makapipinsala sa buhay at kalusugan ng nagbubuntis maging sa kanyang supling. Bakit hindi na lang ilaan ang pondo sa pagpapataas ng sahod ng mga duktor at nars at hindi ang pagtrato sa mga nabubuntis bilang sakit na dapat iwasan. Pangatlo, ang RH bill daw ay layunin upang limitahan ang maagang pagbubutis ng mga kabataan sa pamamagitan ng pagtuturo ng sex education sa paaralan. Lalong nakakabahala ang ganitong pamamaraan sapagkat lalong darami ang bilang ng mga kabataan na mabubuntis kapag naipatupad ito. Sa panukala, nakasaad na sisimulan ang pagtuturo sa Grade 5 tungkol sa sex education. Bakit hindi na lang ibigay sa mga magulang ang responsibilidad sa paggabay sa kanilang anak tungkol sa usaping ito. Mahalaga na ang pamahalaan ay magsagawa ng mga programa na tutulong sa mga magulang at kanilang mga anak sa pagpapahalaga sa buhay at pamilya.

Ikaapat, layunin ng RH bill na magpakalat ng condoms para maiwasan ang STD at HIV. Makasisiguro ba tayo na sa pamamagitan ng pagbibigay ng condoms maiiwasan ang mga sakit na nabanggit na ito? Malamang hindi rin. Bakit hindi na lang magsagawa ng programa ang pamahalaan na magbibigay impormasyon upang maturuan ang mga kabataan sa pre marital sex at isulong ang katapatan ng mag-asawa.

Isang bansa ngayo’y nahahati dahil sa usaping may kinalaman sa buhay at dignidad ng bawat pilipino. Kung noon ang mga ninuno natin ay nagsama-sama, nagkaisa at nagbuwis ng buhay para makamtan ang kalayaang matagal nang ipinagkait ng mga dayuhang yumurak sa ating lahi. Ngayon kakaibang laban naman ang ating hinaharap, At ang labang ito ay mas matindi pa kung ihahalintulad natin noon, sapagkat kapwa pilipino ngayon ang siyang ating kalaban. Mga pilipinong hindi kumikilala sa kahalagahan ng buhay at dignidad ng bawat pamilyang pilipino.

Suknaan: Gibalik-balik ni Atty. Marcelo Bacalso nga ang Misa karon sa Bag-ong Misal dili na balido?

Suknaan

Bro. Socrates Fernandez

Retrieve from: http://www.bagonglungsoranon.com/2011/05/ang-dakong-kausaban-nga-gihimo-sa-novos-order-sa-misa-karon-sama-niini-ang-orihinal-nga-mga-pulong-sa-ikaduhang-bahin-sa-konsagrasyon-%E2%80%9Chic-est-enim-calix-sanguinis-mei-novi-et-aeterni-testa/

 

PANGUTANA:

Ang dakong kausaban nga gihimo sa Novos Order sa Misa karon, sama niini ang orihinal nga mga pulong sa ikaduhang bahin sa konsagrasyon: “Hic est enim Calix Sanguinis mei, novi et aeterni testamenti; mysterium fidei; qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem peccatorum” (M.R.VI, 1). “Kini mao ang kalis sa akong dugo sa bag-o ug tunhay nga testamento; misteryo sa pagtuo; giula alang sa kapasayloan sa inyong mga sala ug sa daghan. . .” Ang giusab dinhi mao ang pro multis alang sa daghan giilisdan sa bag-ong Misa ug pro omnibus ug alang sa tanan. . . ug gikuha pa gayud ang Misteryo sa Pagtuo. Ug suma sa Quo Primum nga iya ni Papa Pio V, dili na balido ang maong Misa kay giilisdan man ug gikuhaan. Mao ra ba ni ang gibalik-balik ni Atty. Marcelo Bacalso nga ang Misa karon sa Bag-ong Misal dili na balido, ug ang katawhan, wala makasimba sa tinuod nga Misa kay inbalido man. Tinuod ba ang iyang gipamahayag? (Carlos Pastorite, San Isidro, Talisay City, Cebu)

 


TUBAG:

Ang opisyal nga panudlo sa Simbahang Katoliko bahin niini nag-ingon: Tungod kay kini bahin man sa Liturhiya o sa Santos nga Misa kon dunay kausaban ang husto nga makahubad niini mao ang Santo Papa, ang Konsilyo sa mga Obispo kauban niya o sa Santo Papa lamang (New Code of Canon Law no. 333:2-3). Ug ang gilagda ni Papa Pio V sa iyang panahon nga nahimong balaod o lagda sa Misa, sa bahin nga dili essential sa Misa, kini mahimo nga mausab sa nagsunod nga papa.
Ang lagda sa mga Pulong sa Balaang Konsagrasyon mao ang gilatid sa Simbahang Katoliko nag-ingon: “The Sacrament is not confected if any ommission or change in the form changes the meaning of the form. If the celebrant adds anything to the form but without thereby altering the meaning of the words, he confects the Sacrament. . . To omit the words Mysterium fidei in editions of the Misal or in the celebration of the Mass is gravely illicit” (Holy Office: July 24, 1958). Ug ang pag-ilis sa mga pulong “alang sa daghan,” ngadto sa “ug alang sa tanan”. . . wala gayud mausab ang form kun sa lintunganay sa Misa. Sa paghalad ni Jesus sa Kalis sa record ni San Marcos gigamit niya ang “tanan”, “Mikuha siya sa Kalis ug miingon, panginom kamong TANAN. Kini mao ang akong dugo sa Bag-ong Testamento nga giula alang sa daghan,” (San Marcos 24:4). Si San Mateo migamit sab sa “alang sa tanan”, ug sa nagkupot sa kalis, mihimog pasalamat ug mihatag kanila, nga naga-ingon: “Panginom kamong tanan niini. . .” (Mat. 26:27). Ug si San Pablo mipasabot nga ang maong kaambitan sa Kalis ug sa Pan, “Sanglit, kay KITA DAGHAN usa kita ka tinapay, usa ka lawas; kay KITANG TANAN naga pakig-ambit niadtong usa ka Tinapay (1 Corinto 10:17). Gipaila ni San Pablo, ang kitang daghan nagkahulogan usab nga kitang tanan, apan walay labot sa tanan kadtong way pagtuo ug dagkong makasasala nga wala maghinulsol.
Busa giingon: “If the celebrant adds anything to the form without, thereby altering the meaning of the words, he confects the Sacrament. . .” Ang celebrante sa Misa nga nagdugang sa pulong apan wala makausab sa kahulogan niini, nahingpit niya sa pagsaulog ang Misa.
Ug ang Mysterium Fidei, Kini ang Misteryo sa Pagtuo, wala wagtanga sa Bag-ong Misal anaa gihapon, human og litok sa pari sa Konsagrasyon iisa niya ang Kalis Katawhan ug ipahiluna niya sa Panapton, moluhod siya ug miingon: KINI ANG MISTERYO SA PAGTUO. . .
Busa sa tin-aw, walay nausab sa lintunganay diha sa Novos Order kun sa Bag-ong Misal nga gigamit sa atong mga kaparian karon. Busa balido ang atong mga Misa diin kita nagasimba. Ug pangahas sa pagpangilog sa gahom sa Santo Papa, kadtong moingon nga ang mga Misa sa Novos Order dili balido. Kay ang atong mga Papa sa modernong panahon nagpahayag nga ang atong MISA karon balido gayud.

Suknaan: Kausaban nga gihimo sa Novos Order sa Misa karon?

Suknaan

Bro. Socrates Fernandez

Retrieve from: http://www.bagonglungsoranon.com/2011/05/giingon-ni-atty-marcelo-bacalso-sa-usa-ka-radio-station-nga-ang-katesismo-sa-council-of-trent-usa-ka-dogmatic-dili-mausab-busa-si-papa-juan-pablo-ii-ang-bag-ong-na-beato-usa-ka-erehe-usa-ka-excomm/

 

 

PANGUTANA:

Giingon ni Atty. Marcelo Bacalso sa usa ka radio station nga ang Katesismo sa Council of Trent usa ka dogmatic dili mausab. Busa si Papa Juan Pablo II, ang bag-ong na-beato usa ka erehe, usa ka excommunicated nga naghimo og bag-ong katesismo, ang Catechism of the Catholic Church, husto ba siya niini?

 


TUBAG:

Dili siya husto, daghan kaayong mga Katesismo sa Simbahang Katoliko kansa miagi usab og mga revisions kun mga kausaban. Pero ang mga panudlo sa Simbahan nga dogmatic dili na mausab. Wa kitay mabasa nga ang tanang pamahayag sa Katesismo sa Konsilyo sa Trento pulos dogmatic. Kadtong dili dogmatic mahimong mausab. Ug ang makausab niana mao ang nagsunod nga Konsilyo o ang hukom sa Santo Papa. Si Papa Pablo VI mipahayag, nga sa Konsilyo Vaticano II walay bahin sa unang nag-una nga Konsilyo nga dogmatic nga giusab, matud pa niya. “Kinahanglan kita mosugot sa Konsilyo (Vatican II). Ang atong pagsugot maoy pagsugot sa mga Obispo, ang Otoridad, nga mao ang mopasabot ug mopatuman sa gilatid sa Konsilyo” (Changes of the Mass for Greater Apostolate Nov. 26, 1969). Ug midason siya: “Walay bisan unsa nga giusab sa lintunganay sa Karaan natong Misa. Ang paggamit sa Latin isip pinulongan sa Misa dili kana dogmatic mahimo nga makagamit sa laing pinulongan nga masabtan sa mga tawo ug balido kana.” Kay si San Pablo miingon: “Diha sa Iglesya palabihon ko ang pagsulti og lima ka pulong nga masabot kay sa 10,000 ka mga pulong nga dili masabot” (1 Cor. 14:19), (THE MASS IS THE SAME NO. II, CHANGES IN MASS NO. 8).
Ang pag-ingon nga ang Katesismo sa Trento, “is noteworthy example of this. It gave priority in its constitutions and decrees. . . is a work of first rank as a summary of Christian teaching.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church No. 9) nagpasabot kini nga “angay kini tamdon buhat nga nag-una sa ranggo sa pagtagad, ang Katesismo sa iyang dekreto. . . kini ang sa sumada sa Kristohanong Panudlo.”
Ang bahin sa konsagrasyon sa Misa gigamit ang pro multis, “alang sa daghan”, napulihan og pro omnibus alang sa tanan, wa kana maka-usab sa esencia sa Misa. Kay ang Misa ni Jesus sa Katapusang Panihapon, pasiuna sa Dugoong Panubos Niya, ug ni San Pablo pa, ang alang sa daghan ug alang sa tanan sama ra’g kahulogan (Roma 5:18-19, Tito 2:11). Ug kanang Mysterium Fedei, Misteryo sa Pagtuo wala na mahiapil sa grupo sa mga pulong sa kosagrasyon. Litokon gihapon na sa pari human sa words of consecration. “Ang tinguha sa sinodo sa mga obispo gihimo ni Papa Juan Pablo II nga iyang tinguha siya ang mipasiugda sa Bag-ong Katesismo, Catechism of the Catholic Church, gipatuman kini sa tanang mga Obispo, mga pari ug sa katawhan sa Dios sa tibuok kalibotan (C.C.C. no. 12).