Sino Ba ang Babae sa Revelation 12?

Sino Ba ang Babae sa Revelation 12?

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May tanong po ako..

Sa isang aklat na isinulat ng PARI by ALBER HUNNI page.59

” The epistles has taken from the apocalips,a woman surrounded by the sons splender who is wearing a crown by the twelve star and the moon beniete her feet.Appears to saint john avoice announce that is hour salvation of the kingdom of jesus christ,The application to the IMMACULATE VIRGIN of LORDES is clear.

So Maliwanag.. Na sabi ng PARI nio na TURO ng IGLESIA KATOLIKA na si VIRGIN MARRY ang BABAE sa Apocalipsis 12:1.”

Anu nmn ang sinasabi ng catholic bible sa DOUAY RHIMES VERSION sa {FOOTNOTE} ng APOCALIPSIS 12:1 ganito ang sabi…

A woman,this WOMAN is NOT the BLESSED VIRGIN!

Ngayon alin po jan ang 22o? ang sabi ng pari sa aklat nio na virgin marry ang bab sa revlation 12:1

o sa catholic bible ng douay rhimes version na hindi raw si virgin marry ang babae sa revation 12:!?

pakisagot po..

SINAGUTAN NI BRO. G-ONE PAISONES

(In Edited Form)

Dear Bro. Jason,

Salamat sa comento mo sa amin, naway ang Dios ay gagabay sa iyo at sa iyong pamilya sa mga pag-araw araw na Gawain.

Sa hindi pa natin sagutin ang tanong mo, dapat malaman natin kung ano ang Book of Revelation o Apocalypse. Narito ang mga sumusunod na pahayag hinggil sa Book of Revelation:

NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible (The Zondervan Corporation-OMF Literature Phil. Page 504-505 (emphasis added) -REVELATION, BOOK OF THE (Gr. Apokalypsis, an unveiling). Sometimes called the Apocalypse. This is the last book of the Bible and the only book of NT that is exclusively prophetic in character.

There are four main schools of interpretation:

  1. Pretest- holds that Revelation is simply a picture of conditions prevalent in the Roman Empire in the late first century, cast in the form of vision and prophecy to conceal its meaning from hostile pagan.
  2. Historical view contends that the book represents in symbolic form the entire course of church history from the time of writing to the final consummation, and that the mystical figures describe in it can be identified with human events in history.
  3. Futurist- on the basis of the threefold division given in Revelation 1:19, suggests that “what you have seen” refers to the immediate environment of the seer and vision of Christ (1”9-19), “what is now” denotes the churches of Asia or the church age they symbolize (2:1-3:22), and “what will take later” relates to those events that will attend the return of Christ and the establishment of the city of God.
  4. Idealist or Symbolic school treats Revelation as purely a dramatic picture of the conflict of good and evil.

The New Jerome Bible Handbook, Page 310. The Apocalypse (Revelation) narrates extraordinary visions that concern things normally unseen and unheard by human beings. It is unique in the New Testament, but not the ancient world… The Revelation has two focuses: Secrets of the cosmos and secret of the future. Secrets are revealed in order to present a particular interpretation of the times and to persuade the hearers or readers to think and live in a certain way.

Sa nasambit natin sa itaas, mapapansin natin na ang Revelation ay may maraming interpretations batay na rin sa bumabasa.

Atin pong talakayin ang Revelation Chapter 12 na basihan sa iyong katanungan.

Kay ALBER HUNNI is Santa Maria ang Rev. 12:1; sa DOUAY RHIMES VERSION (St. Joseph Edition) < CONFRATERNITY-DOUAY VERSION> hindi si Santa Maria ang Revelation 12. Makikita po natin na para pong contradict ang statement ng dalawa (o masasabi ng iba na contrary talaga ang dalawa). Peru bakit po sinabi natin na parang contradict ang dalawa? Narito ang kasagutan:

Dapat nating malaman na ang Revelation 12:1 ay isang fusion imagery o ang topiko ng Revelation ay may maraming kahulugan at nakadependi ito sa History, Phrase, Sentence, Context, at Interpretation ng mambabasa (Ang reference ay nasa itaas).

Narito ang nakasaad sa Rev. 12:1-2 (KJV) “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: {12:2} And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.”

Ang interpretation ng dalubhasa sa Biblia tungkol sa woman ng Rev. 12:1 ay:

1. Israel = Mic. 4:9-10; Isa. 66:7; Gen. 37:9–11

2. Eve = she is part of the three-way conflict also involving her Seed and the Dragon, who is identified with the ancient serpent (the one from Eden) in 20:2. This mirrors the conflict in Genesis 3:15 between Eve, the serpent, and her unborn seed—which in turn is a symbol of the conflict between Mary, Satan, and Jesus. (from James Akin of Catholic Answer)

3. Church = because, as Rev. 12:17 tells us, “the rest of her offspring” are those who bear witness to Jesus, making them Christians. from James Akin of Catholic Answer)

4. Mary (Mother of Jesus) = Revelation 11:19- 12:1 it is Mary the Ark of New Covenant

Narito ang mga sumusonod na references:

Holy Bible- Douay Rheims Version, Page 295 –Apocalypse 12:1 Footnote -“A woman. The Church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady. The church with the sun, that is, with Christ. She hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crown, are the twelve apostles: She is in labor and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions.

The New Testament of the New American Bible, Page 626– Revelation 12: 1f. 4-6 Notes: “The Woman adorned with the sun, the moon, and the starts symbolized God’s people in the Old and New Testament; Gn 37, 9f. The Israel of old gave birth to Messiah (v 5) and then became the New Israel, the church, which suffers persecution by the dragon (vv 6:13-17).

Biblia sa Kristohanong Katilingban (Christian Community Bible) Page 485– Revelation 12 Notes: “Ang babaye nagpasabot sa katawhan nga mitabang sa plano sa Diyos, si Maria nga nanganak kang Jesus; siya ang simbahan nga “mikagiw sa disyerto”, sa ato pa, nagkinabuhing espirituhanong layo sa kalibutan, apan giamoma sa pulong sa Diyos panahon sa panglutos. TAGALOG: “Ang babae (ibigsabihin) ay ang mamamayang tomulong sa plano ng Diyos, Si Maria na nagluwal kay Jesus; siya ang simbahan na pumunta (tumongo) sa disyerto, ibigsabihin ay nabubuhay sa espiritual (spiritual way of living) na malayo sa pansanlibutan na buhay (masasamang bagay), peru inaalagaan ng Diyos sa panahon ng kagipitan.”

Revelation a Divine Message of Hope by: Fr. Bruce Vawter, CM. ((Catholic Information Service, Knights of Columbus Supreme Council, New Haven CT 06521-1971)) – (Imprimatur John F. Whealon, Archbishop of Hartford) Page 44 à “The first sign is “a woman clothed with the sun; with the moon beneath her feet and the twelve starts in a crown about her head. As we see from the complete description of this woman (12:1-2, 5-6), she is both the Church and the Mother of the Messiah. The Church is presented both glorified and in her period of trial, all at once… The Child to whom the woman gives birth in v.5 is certainly Jesus, as He is describe in the messianic language of Psalm 2:9.

Conclusion:

Kaya kung ang buong chapter sa Revelation 12 ang pagbabatayan natin iyan po ay hindi kay Santa Maria lamang nakabasi o nakatoon ang topiko; peru kung pagbabasihan natin ang Literal na ina ni Cristo na nag panganak sa kanya hindi rin mali na e-apply natin ang Revelation 12:1 kay Santa Maria.

Ngayon alin po jan ang totoo? ang sabi ng pari sa aklat niya na si Virgin Mary ang babae sa revelation 12:1; o sa Catholic Bible ng Douay Rhimes version(New Edition) na hindi raw si Virgin Mary ang babae sa revelation 12:!?

Alin ba ang totoo sa dalawa ang Pari ba (ALBER HUNNI) o ang CONFRATERNITY-DOUAY VERSION? Pareho pong totoo ang dalawa SAPAGKAT KUNG TATAPOSIN LANG NATIN ANG PAGBASA SA FOOTNOTE NG CONFRATERNITY-DOUAY VERSION GANITO ANG NAKALAGAY:

CONFRATERNITY-DOUAY VERSION, PAGE 272- REVELATION 12:1 FOOTENOTE: A woman: this woman is not the Blessed Virgin, for the details of the prophecy do not fit her. The prophesy pictures the Church of the Old and New Covenants. The beams of the divine glory clothe her, the moon is beneath her feet, she is crowned with a crown of twelve stars, and she must bring forth Christ to the world. By accommodation the church applies this verse to the Blessed Virgin.

Samakatuwid nais ng may akda ng CONFRATERNITY-DOUAY VERSION na hindi lamang dapat nakatoon ang pagkakaintindi (ng mga Katoliko) sa Revelation 12:1 kay Santa Maria; sapagkat ang pinag-uusapan na “BABAE” sa boung chapter 12 ng Revelation ay hindi LAMANG ni SANTA MARIA naka sentro.

Nasagutan po ang inyong tanong.

Salamat

7 thoughts on “Sino Ba ang Babae sa Revelation 12?

  1. The truth I found in rev.12:1 is this, The girl is really Mary, and Jesus is the son. The 2 persons are the literally spoken in mysterious way. In mysterious way, why? Simply, because, for us not to understand the meaning of the sentence in purely for those persons. That was happened, because the two persons, their life, are only used to speak the gospel of the God from yesterday, today, and for tomorrow. Yes, the two persons are the Virgin Mary and the Holy Child, in yesterday. Their lives are spoken to us, for us to guide in our times today. And to made us saved in the time of judgement in tomorrow.
    In a whole, The Mother and The Child bears a guidance to Church of Christ-which now known as, The Holy Roman Catholic Church.

  2. The truth I found in rev.12:1 is this, The girl is really Mary, and Jesus is the son. The 2 persons are the literally spoken in mysterious way. In mysterious way, why? Simply, because, for us not to understand the meaning of the sentence in purely for those persons. That was happened, because the two persons, their life, are only used to speak the gospel of the God from yesterday, today, and for tomorrow. Yes, the two persons are the Virgin Mary and the Holy Child, in yesterday. Their lives are spoken to us, for us to guide in our times today. And to made us saved in the time of judgement in tomorrow.
    In a whole, The Mother and The Child bears a guidance to Church of Christ.

  3. The truth I found in rev.12:1 is this, The girl is really Mary, and Jesus is the son. The 2 persons are the literally spoken in mysterious way. In mysterious way, why? Simply, because, for us not to understand the meaning of the sentence in purely for those persons. That was happened, because the two persons, their life, are only used to speak the gospel of the God from yesterday, today, and for tomorrow. Yes, the two persons are the Virgin Mary and the Holy Child, in yesterday. Their lives are spoken to us, for us to guide in our times today. And to made us saved in the time of judgement in tomorrow.
    In a whole, The Mother and The Child bears a guidance to Church.

  4. The image of the woman clothed with sun seen by St. John in Rev. 12: 1 was the present image of the new heavenly Jerusalem and the glorifying image of the Blessed virgin Mary.
    Here is the explanation:

    When John said that the woman was in pain nearly giving birth (Rev. 12: 2)he was referring to the historical background of the woman(not an allusion to the Blessed Virgin Mary because she is not part of the curses, including the birth pains, given by God to Eve in Gen. 3: 16). The historical background of the woman was that she was alluded to the heavenly Zion of the old covenant (cf. Isaiah 62). The place where the souls of the elect of the old testamant people were placed and God wanted a new name for her and wanted to marry her in the near foture. Remember that the souls of the elect in this place have not yet reached heaven (new Jerusalem) and all of them were waiting for the coming of the Messiah.(Jesus told us that nobody has gone up to heaven John 3: 13 and no one has seen the Father except him who comes from the Father John 6: 46). Example of this were the souls confined only underneath the altar as seen by St. John in Rev. 6: 9-10 which is different in stature as the souls of the elect seen in Rev. 7: 9-10. As Jesus Christ ascended to heaven according to St. Paul, Jesus has with him many captives (Ephesians 4: 8), the prophesy then of Isaiah 66: 8 that in an instant Zion will give birth of her children, thus comes to its fulfillment (Rev. 7: 9-10).
    But, the body and blood of Jesus that made the perfect sacrifice to God (Heb. 9: 14)came from the Blessed Virgin Mary (Heb 2: 14)
    because without her the perfect sacrifice of Jesus would have had not fulfilled. So the woman in Rev. 12: 1 could be alluded to the Blessed Virgin Mary either.

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